See already! Already, it's already starting. Hrab: Kirk versus Picard is a very, very touchy thing. So to start off, I'd like to know are there any topics that you actually prefer not to debate, that you'd just as soon avoid, whether that's because they're debating them would be pointless or possibly even harmful. So, I'd like to take advantage of these seasoned veterans and talk about what they learned over the years in arguing with non-skeptics: what tactics they use-what tactics the non-skeptics use-and how to cope with those tactics, traps you've fallen into the past, and how you actually change someone's mind. So we're lucky enough to have on stage here some of the best and the brightest, not just in skeptical thinking, but in skeptical communication in engaging with the public and convincing people of the skeptic viewpoint. You guys know these debates, you know what they're like, you lay out your arguments, it's perfectly clear, you go from A to B to C, it's just so clear than the person you're talking to is just completely unmoved. So as Jamie mentioned, the topic of the panel is "Arguing with Non-Skeptics", and I chose this topic because I suspect that many of us, most of us here today, have found ourselves mired in these debates in which logic and reason and truth are all on our side, and it's not doing us a bit of good. And our remaining two panelists, are come on out, D. Well George! It was a tight race that one. George is considered one of the preeminent skeptic, science, atheist, geek culture music icons currently living in his apartment. He wrote the theme song to the 365 Days of Astronomy podcast and his Occasional Songs with the Periodic Table, a 118-part song cycle featuring a song for each element, has been described as the first true geek symphony. He also produces a weekly award-winning podcast called, The Geologic Podcast, which features humorous skeptics, music and skeptical free-thinking commentary. He's been asked multiple times to be a featured performer at James Randi's The Amazing Meeting in Vegas. George is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, skeptic, podcaster, producer, composer and heliocentrist. Galef: First up, we have Steve Mirsky, and-give it up, Steve Mirsky!!! Next up, George Hrab, come on up George Hrab. Julia Galef, cohost of Rationally Speaking, the podcast of the New York City Skeptics Group moderated it. Grothe: No questions should off limits, no issues are taboo for the skeptic. Hrab: Not falling into the trap of thinking the person you're talking to is an idiot. It featured a panel discussion titled "Arguing with Non-Skeptics". Back in April, the Northeast conference on Science and Skepticism took place here in New York City. And I've been saving something for awhile. Steve: Welcome to Science Talk, the weekly podcast of Scientific American posted on July 27th, 2010. Web sites related to content of this podcast include and Podcast Transcription Grothe and podcast host Steve Mirsky (pictured). A panel discussion on arguing with non-skeptics at the recent Northeast Conference on Science and Skepticism in New York City featured James Randi, George Hrab, D.
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